Dear all, as some of you have noticed, we have not put out an official announcements regarding FOSDEM 2022 until now. To expand a bit on agk's response[1]: We do know that the weekend ULB would be able to let us onto their premises is 2022-02-05 & 2022-02-06. As such, FOSDEM will happen at that date. As per usual, we started planning for real in August. We have consensus that there will be an online component to FOSDEM. We do not yet have consensus on what, if any, form an in-person component could look like. These discussions are ongoing, and not easy. We are painfully aware that this is shifting and compressing not only our, but everyone's schedule and planning. I had volunteered to communicate all the above a month ago and failed to do so. I am sorry for that. To be completely honest, all this uncertainty and the responsibility are weighing on all of us, myself included. What we do know is that barring some new variants, we will have an awesome FOSDEM 2023 - and we will do our best to make FOSDEM 2022 the least bad one possible. Best, Richard [1] https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2021q4/003276.html
Hi, thanks for informing us!
We do know that the weekend ULB would be able to let us onto their premises is 2022-02-05 & 2022-02-06. As such, FOSDEM will happen at that date.
As per usual, we started planning for real in August. We have consensus that there will be an online component to FOSDEM. We do not yet have consensus on what, if any, form an in-person component could look like. These discussions are ongoing, and not easy.
JM2C – if there is an option to make a vaccinated-only event (as opposed to no in-person event at all), please do. Please don't surrender to people who don't want to get vaccinated, like 37c3 recently did, as rumour has it. Thanks, Nik -- Dominik George (1. Vorstandsvorsitzender, pädagogischer Leiter) Teckids e.V. — Digitale Freiheit mit Jugend und Bildung https://www.teckids.org/
On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 23:38, Dominik George <dominik.george@teckids.org> wrote:
Hi,
thanks for informing us!
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JM2C – if there is an option to make a vaccinated-only event (as opposed to no in-person event at all), please do. Please don't surrender to people who don't want to get vaccinated, like 37c3 recently did, as rumour has it.
100% this. More so if I could. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lproven@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053
Dear, I want to provide some suggestions to provide increased safety barriers to organise FOSDEM in the current pandemic context. Currently, in the Brussels region, the government asks for this kind of events a 'covid safe ticket'; implying vaccination, recent PCR test or covid infection less than 6 months ago. It is likely this regulation will still be in place by FOSDEM-time. As we all know, vaccination is no guarantee against getting, spreading of covid, nor a full protection against hospitalisation or death. Vaccination helps of course significantly, and it is also possible that by Februari, covid is eliminated. But that is not very likely, especially not in all regions where guests are coming from. Additional safety barriers to prevent mass spreading events could be: - saliva (spit) tests are 50-70% able to catch vaccinated infected persons that day, especially if they are in the period during which they exhale the most virus. These tests cost only 2,7 euro and are non-intrusive; only a bit of spit is required, and 15 minutes later the result is known. It does - however - require a lot of volunteers to aid in taking and processing these tests. Performing 75 tests per hour per volunteer is possible. Sponsors (such as our company) could contribute to pay for these tests, and help in organising it (but it would require a lot of helping hands each morning of the event). - require (or stimulate wearing of) masks indoors. FFP2/N95 masks or better protect the wearer against infection, less protective masks can also decrease the amount of inhaled or exhaled virus particles. Less viral load leads to less severe disease and less people infected. - provide HEPA filter systems to clean the air in all indoor areas. These systems cost about 500 euro per piece, but larger rooms would require multiple units. Maybe the university already has or plans to install units like these? - provide CO2 meters to monitor the indoor air quality. A good one costs at least 100 euro. - limit the amount of people per room - this requires more volunteers to perform crowd control (which is probably a good idea anyway) - keep doors and windows open I understand some of these suggestions are hard to implement at the scale of Fosdem, yet I hope at least some suggestions will make it, if FOSDEM is organised. Grtz, Jasper -- On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 1:52 PM Liam Proven <lproven@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 23:38, Dominik George <dominik.george@teckids.org> wrote:
Hi,
thanks for informing us!
[...]
JM2C – if there is an option to make a vaccinated-only event (as opposed to no in-person event at all), please do. Please don't surrender to people who don't want to get vaccinated, like 37c3 recently did, as rumour has it.
100% this. More so if I could.
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Hi folks. Am 13.10.2021 um 14:47 schrieb Jasper Nuyens:
- saliva (spit) tests are 50-70% able to catch vaccinated infected persons that day, especially if they are in the period during which they exhale the most virus. These tests cost only 2,7 euro and are non-intrusive; only a bit of spit is required, and 15 minutes later the result is known. It does - however - require a lot of volunteers to aid in taking and processing these tests. Performing 75 tests per hour per volunteer is possible. Sponsors (such as our company) could contribute to pay for these tests, and help in organising it (but it would require a lot of helping hands each morning of the event).
I did not really think about if it could be feasible, just an idea: maybe hotels could help. Assuming most of participants will reside in a hotel and the price for one night is between 80 - 130 euros, hotels could support in a) sponsoring: 2,70 euro from 80 to 130 is not much (maybe there are participants willing to pay 2,70 euro additional to the hotel price, I would be willing if it helps) b) testing: maybe spit tests could be effected directly at hotels every morning Just an idea. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Salutations distinguées, A scheener Grüeß, Bescht Gréiss, Kind regards, Meikel
On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 03:32:00PM +0200, Meikel wrote:
a) sponsoring: 2,70 euro from 80 to 130 is not much (maybe there are participants willing to pay 2,70 euro additional to the hotel price, I would be willing if it helps)
b) testing: maybe spit tests could be effected directly at hotels every morning
With the informality of FOSDEM and people staying in all sorts of hotels and accomodation all over the place, I suspect this would be pretty complicated. Frank -- "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan
On 13/10/2021 16:05, Frank Gevaerts wrote:
On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 03:32:00PM +0200, Meikel wrote:
a) sponsoring: 2,70 euro from 80 to 130 is not much (maybe there are participants willing to pay 2,70 euro additional to the hotel price, I would be willing if it helps)
b) testing: maybe spit tests could be effected directly at hotels every morning
With the informality of FOSDEM and people staying in all sorts of hotels and accomodation all over the place, I suspect this would be pretty complicated.
The biggest issue to consider is that the volunteers have to do all the work to prepare and buy their travel tickets and if they are unlucky, either: a) the whole event is canceled at the last minute due to new regulations, new variants of covid, etc, or b) some people don't arrive due to flight cancellations, or they were a close contact of a covid case or anything else and the volunteers who do arrive have to do the work for everybody who is blocked from travel There is actually a huge amount of work that volunteers do before any event and this uncertainty is an extra burden for them. If the volunteers are happy to accept those risks it is fine but I don't think anybody can complain if they simply go with another online FOSDEM Regards, Daniel
Hi Daniel,
If the volunteers are happy to accept those risks it is fine but I don't think anybody can complain if they simply go with another online FOSDEM
the problem with that is that our society, and our ecosystems, are changing rapidly. We will undoubtedly (I will happily stand corrected!) have to adapt to such uncertainties. They will occur at an increasing rate in the future, and we need to find ways to deal with them without sacrificing community events over and over again. -nik -- Dominik George (1. Vorstandsvorsitzender, pädagogischer Leiter) Teckids e.V. — Digitale Freiheit mit Jugend und Bildung https://www.teckids.org/
On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 12:18 PM Daniel Pocock <daniel@pocock.pro> wrote:
b) some people don't arrive due to flight cancellations, or they were a close contact of a covid case or anything else and the volunteers who do arrive have to do the work for everybody who is blocked from travel
There is actually a huge amount of work that volunteers do before any event and this uncertainty is an extra burden for them.
If the volunteers are happy to accept those risks it is fine but I don't think anybody can complain if they simply go with another online FOSDEM
Speaking as a devroom manager, I would happily sign up for extra volunteer shifts or register as a backup on days when my devroom isn't running if that is what helps FOSDEM run this year. I suspect there are more of us who would do the same. -Seth
Speaking as a devroom manager, I would happily sign up for extra volunteer shifts or register as a backup on days when my devroom isn't running if that is what helps FOSDEM run this year. I suspect there are more of us who would do the same.
Count me in! -nik -- Dominik George (1. Vorstandsvorsitzender, pädagogischer Leiter) Teckids e.V. — Digitale Freiheit mit Jugend und Bildung https://www.teckids.org/
On 13/10/2021 22:19, Dominik George wrote:
Speaking as a devroom manager, I would happily sign up for extra volunteer shifts or register as a backup on days when my devroom isn't running if that is what helps FOSDEM run this year. I suspect there are more of us who would do the same.
Count me in!
The enthusiasm of your replies goes a long way, it is commendable. Nonetheless, in every event, there are some key people who simply put in a whole load of work that most of us never see. Some of these key people can't be substituted. If they do all that work and the event is canceled at the last minute then it is not really noticed and I want to thank those people in advance. I don't think things will be like this forever. That is just the way it is today. Regards, Daniel
On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 11:19 PM Dominik George <dominik.george@teckids.org> wrote:
Please don't surrender to people who don't want to get vaccinated, like 37c3 recently did, as rumour has it.
With my CCC-organizing hat on, I can tell you that this rumor is not correct. On a more general note, we are finding internal discussions within FOSDEM (and CCC) complicated enough, which is why we choose not to engage in public debate on these topics. It's not that we don't care about the voices of the wider community, it's simply that too many balls are in the air already as-is. Best, Richard PS: It's ironic to say that on the mailing list, but we may be losing email on some of our lists currently. We don't yet know why that might be the case, we just know it's happening.
Hi Richi,
With my CCC-organizing hat on, I can tell you that this rumor is not correct.
you have an amazing collcetion of headgear ;).
PS: It's ironic to say that on the mailing list, but we may be losing email on some of our lists currently. We don't yet know why that might be the case, we just know it's happening.
I do get DMARC forensic reports when sending to FOSDEM mailing lists. If you provide me with an admin mail address, I will forward them, in case that helps. -nik -- Dominik George (1. Vorstandsvorsitzender, pädagogischer Leiter) Teckids e.V. — Digitale Freiheit mit Jugend und Bildung https://www.teckids.org/
On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 12:16 PM Dominik George <dominik.george@teckids.org> wrote:
I do get DMARC forensic reports when sending to FOSDEM mailing lists. If you provide me with an admin mail address, I will forward them, in case that helps.
agk & Gerry found & fixed it. Thanks, though. Best, Richard
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Daniel Pocock -
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Jasper Nuyens -
Liam Proven -
Meikel -
Richard Hartmann -
Seth Hillbrand