[FOSDEM] FOSDEM Digest, Vol 128, Issue 26

[Erin Whelton]

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>    1. Coronavirus (hostilius)
>    2. NAM-IP computer museum in Belgium (Christophe Ponsard)
>    3. Re: Coronavirus (Gerry Demaret)
>    4. Re: Coronavirus (Daniel Pocock)
>    5. Re: Coronavirus (Jasper Nuyens)
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> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 16:51:28 +0000
> From: hostilius <hostilius at protonmail.ch>
> To: "fosdem at lists.fosdem.org" <fosdem at lists.fosdem.org>
> Subject: [FOSDEM] Coronavirus
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> Hello,
>
> Fosdem brings together people from many places all over the world,
> which is awesome. But the timing of this year's Fosdem is unfortunate.
>
> I suggest to discuss the potential effect of the Coronavirus (2019nCov)
> on Fosdem, and potential measures.
>
> The new virus appears to be transmittable from person to person, even by
> people not showing any symptoms yet (this is different from the SARS
> 2002 virus).
>
> Based on today's reports from Hong Kong university, the virus might have
> an incubation period around 10 days. Currently 44000 people are
> estimated to be infected (not yet sick), and that number might double
> every 6 days.
>
> The city of Wuhan (11 million inhabitants) was put under lockdown on
> Jan 23. However, it is estimated that 5 million people were able to
> leave the city prior to the lockdown.
>
> I think this means, it's currently unknown how successful the quarantine
> effort is.
>
> Another developer conference by a large Telco, that was originally
> planned to take place mid February in Shenzen (more than 1000 km away
> from Wuhan), was already canceled.
>
> How likely is it that the virus might already be spreading
> internationally, with the majority of cases still being unnoticed,
> because of the long incubation period?
>
> How likely is it that the virus reaches the Fosdem venue and that many
> attendees will catch it, thereby putting themselves at risk,
> and further contributing to a quick international distribution?
>
> Kind Regards,
> a regular Fosdem visitor.
>
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> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 09:25:35 +0100
> From: Christophe Ponsard <christophe.ponsard at gmail.com>
> To: fosdem at lists.fosdem.org
> Cc: info at nam-ip.be, christophe.ponsard at unamur.be
> Subject: [FOSDEM] NAM-IP computer museum in Belgium
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> dear FOSDEM visitors
>
> if you plan to come to FOSDEM (very soon now) and are still looking for
> interesting & computer related things to do,
> you can consider visiting NAM-IP, a recent computer museum near Namur
> (about 50km South of Brussels)
> NAM stands for "Numerical Artifact Museum" but is close to name of the
> hosting city
>
> featuring a rare Hollerith tabulator (1890), Bull mecanography, mainframes
> from the 60's (temporary exposition) and computer evolution until now
> warning for us, software guys: no historical software running in the
> current exhibitions (some mecanography demo possible though)
> there are also some artefacts related to Multics
>
> website: http://www.nam-ip.be/
> opening hours & how to reach: http://www.nam-ip.be/NAM-IP-InfPrat.html
>
> website is only French and Dutch but English booklets are available with QR
> code scanning
> guided tours may also be organised (contact animation at nam-ip.be or me to
> see if possible)
> I also plan to attend FOSDEM (the history track among others ;--)
>
> Happy FOSDEM for those attending (physically or remotely) !
> Christophe
>
> --
> *Christophe PONSARD*
> NAM-IP Volunteer
>
> *NAM-IP*
> email:  info at nam-ip.be
> http://www.nam-ip.be/
> Rue Henri Blès 192A
> B5000 Namur (Salzinnes) - Belgium
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 14:21:39 +0100
> From: Gerry Demaret <gerry at fosdem.org>
> To: FOSDEM Visitors <fosdem at lists.fosdem.org>
> Subject: Re: [FOSDEM] Coronavirus
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> On 1/27/20 5:51 PM, hostilius wrote:
> > Fosdem brings together people from many places all over the world,
> > which is awesome. But the timing of this year's Fosdem is unfortunate.
> >
> > I suggest to discuss the potential effect of the Coronavirus (2019nCov)
> > on Fosdem, and potential measures.
>
> Dear submitter, dear FOSDEM visitors,
>
> Thank you for voicing your concerns.
>
> There is currently no indication that there is a need for concern about
> 2019-nCoV spreading to attendees at the conference. The Belgian
> authorities are closely monitoring the situation, and are prepared to
> react quickly should a suspected case pop up:
>
> <https://www.belgium.be/en/news/2020/coronavirus_outbreak_current_status>
>
> We suggest our visitors follow the standard recommendations published by
> the World Health Organization (WHO) to reduce exposure to and
> transmission of a range of illnesses:
>
> <
> https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public
> >
>
> As always, any participant feeling unwell (regardless of 2019-nCoV)
> should reconsider their attendance in person.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Gerry
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 15:09:44 +0100
> From: Daniel Pocock <daniel at pocock.pro>
> To: fosdem at lists.fosdem.org
> Subject: Re: [FOSDEM] Coronavirus
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> On 29/01/2020 14:21, Gerry Demaret wrote:
> > On 1/27/20 5:51 PM, hostilius wrote:
> >> Fosdem brings together people from many places all over the world,
> >> which is awesome. But the timing of this year's Fosdem is unfortunate.
> >>
> >> I suggest to discuss the potential effect of the Coronavirus (2019nCov)
> >> on Fosdem, and potential measures.
> >
> > Dear submitter, dear FOSDEM visitors,
> >
> > Thank you for voicing your concerns.
> >
> > There is currently no indication that there is a need for concern about
> > 2019-nCoV spreading to attendees at the conference. The Belgian
> > authorities are closely monitoring the situation, and are prepared to
> > react quickly should a suspected case pop up:
> >
> > <https://www.belgium.be/en/news/2020/coronavirus_outbreak_current_status
> >
> >
> > We suggest our visitors follow the standard recommendations published by
> > the World Health Organization (WHO) to reduce exposure to and
> > transmission of a range of illnesses:
> >
> > <
> https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public
> >
> >
> > As always, any participant feeling unwell (regardless of 2019-nCoV)
> > should reconsider their attendance in person.
> >
>
> The WHO advice says to avoid contact with people who exhibit symptoms
>
> This press report, based on two papers published in The Lancet, suggests
> that people can transmit the virus /before/ they exhibit symptoms
>
>
> https://www.statnews.com/2020/01/24/coronavirus-infections-no-symptoms-lancet-studies/
>
> If those reports are true, FOSDEM's legendary beer night and packed
> corridors at ULB appear to be a higher risk environment than a normal
> workplace.
>
> The recent case of human-human transmissions in Germany:
> - worker came from China to Germany with no symptoms
> - Chinese worker gave training, still no symptoms
> - Chinese worker returned to China, started feeling sick on flight
> - 4 German workers confirmed with infection
>
>
> https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-germany-infections-idUSKBN1ZR2O1
>
> Given the evidence above and also the massive gaps in evidence, this is
> a serious ethical issue for the organizers and each participant to
> contemplate.
>
> There are some serious administrative questions, for example, if people
> have already booked non-refundable flights and they decide not to
> attend, will Free Software organizations still reimburse their tickets?
>  It would be good to see all the organizations who give sponsorship
> giving their volunteers a free choice in this matter.
>
> For those who are devroom organizers, do we make an extra effort to
> offer RTC participation for speakers who choose not to attend?  To avoid
> going off-topic, we could discuss that on a thread on the FreeRTC list
> https://lists.freertc.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> and try to develop a list of last-minute RTC options for any event in
> the same situation.
>
> Regards,
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 15:10:17 +0100
> From: Jasper Nuyens <jnuyens at linuxbe.com>
> To: hostilius <hostilius at protonmail.ch>
> Cc: "fosdem at lists.fosdem.org" <fosdem at lists.fosdem.org>
> Subject: Re: [FOSDEM] Coronavirus
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> Dear,
>
> Sadly, not all of your questions can be answered fully scientifically
> yet. I guess it's a risk assessment.
>
> As an added fact in Belgium, the normal seasonal flu will reach
> epidemic proportions in a week or 2.
> The initial symptoms of the novel coronavirus pneumonia are similar,
> it will make differentiation by health workers more difficult.
> Travel from China occurs through Brussels airport, and - baffling -
> the government does not perform screening or quarantine measures nor
> informs about it. On this website, you can see the planned arrivals:
> https://www.brusselsairport.be/en/passengers
>
> If one has the seasonal flu; please be responsible to not spread it at
> FOSDEM and complicate matters further.
> If one has had potential contact with people coming from one of the
> affected regions 3 days before the event - even without any symptoms
> or fever - please act responsibly and quarantine yourself; typically
> after 3 days flu-like symptoms develop, after 8 days hospital
> treatment becomes necessary due to breathing difficulty and other
> problems - this is a deadly virus with a high mortality rate (still
> uncertain how much exactly) and with a high strain on the health care
> system (2-3 weeks in ICU with breathing machines are required for a
> significant part of the infected people).
>
> Dust or paint masks rated 'P3' can still be found at some hardware
> stores in Belgium and offer adequate protection in combination with
> goggles. All pharmacies in Belgium are sold out since yesterday. Lower
> rated masks might protect others against your potential carrying of
> disease as less droplets will be spread in the environment and could
> be a good idea - if you manage to get hold of them. Don't forget that
> masks are now mandatory when going outside in the regions in China who
> were in a similar situation than us - Europeans - less than a month
> ago.
>
> Wash hands regularly, do not touch your nose or mouth, use
> chlorine-warter 'javel' to clean potential virus locations (door
> handles and such).
>
> As the virus might be circulating undetected for over 10 days, and
> transmission from one victim to 15 others isn't uncommon - after which
> they become infectious quickly - it cannot be ruled out that the virus
> might be circulating in Brussels in low numbers by the end of this
> week (or even now).
> The exponential growth of confirmed cases in China indicates what
> could happen here - in a short timeframe.
>
> HOWEVER; there have not been any confirmed cases in Belgium yet. And
> from 1 case to 100 cases takes a while - after that,... well, we see
> how it develops in China now. So FOSDEM might be over before things
> get seriously in Belgium with respect to this virus.
>
> Personally, I got the seasonal flue today, but I already decided the
> risk wasn't worth it for me, and I will only give my presentation
> about FreedomEV 2.0 (Tesla Hacking and free software on Electric
> Vehicles) if I can do that remotely (probably not).
> Ultimately it is everybody's own responsibility to decide what to do,
> I kindly ask to properly inform yourself with respect to this matter.
> And I sincerely hope that I am mostly wrong about my assessment.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novel_coronavirus_(2019-nCoV)
>
> Greetings,
> Jasper
>
> --
> Jasper Nuyens
> Managing Director, Linux Belgium
> http://www.linuxbe.com
> Phone: +32 (0)2 747 47 01
> Fax: +32 (0)2 747 47 10
> GSM: +32 (0)478 978967
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 1:43 PM hostilius <hostilius at protonmail.ch> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Fosdem brings together people from many places all over the world,
> > which is awesome. But the timing of this year's Fosdem is unfortunate.
> >
> > I suggest to discuss the potential effect of the Coronavirus (2019nCov)
> > on Fosdem, and potential measures.
> >
> > The new virus appears to be transmittable from person to person, even by
> > people not showing any symptoms yet (this is different from the SARS
> > 2002 virus).
> >
> > Based on today's reports from Hong Kong university, the virus might have
> > an incubation period around 10 days. Currently 44000 people are
> > estimated to be infected (not yet sick), and that number might double
> > every 6 days.
> >
> > The city of Wuhan (11 million inhabitants) was put under lockdown on
> > Jan 23. However, it is estimated that 5 million people were able to
> > leave the city prior to the lockdown.
> >
> > I think this means, it's currently unknown how successful the quarantine
> > effort is.
> >
> > Another developer conference by a large Telco, that was originally
> > planned to take place mid February in Shenzen (more than 1000 km away
> > from Wuhan), was already canceled.
> >
> > How likely is it that the virus might already be spreading
> > internationally, with the majority of cases still being unnoticed,
> > because of the long incubation period?
> >
> > How likely is it that the virus reaches the Fosdem venue and that many
> > attendees will catch it, thereby putting themselves at risk,
> > and further contributing to a quick international distribution?
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> > a regular Fosdem visitor.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> >
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