[FOSDEM] messages missing/changed (was: Academic Freedom vs CoC at FOSDEM)

[Jasper Nuyens]

Dear,

I both respect Daniel and Wouter, but I have no clue what this is all about.
Maybe the gmail relay has f*cked up the beginning of the conversation
like it did in the past.
And as this isn't really a very constructive addition to the
discussion, I just want to wish everybody a respectful fucking 2022!
;-)

Cheers guys, and if there's anything I can do to help make this
edition into another great success for Free and OpenSource software,
let me know!

Consider this an attempt to lighten things up and a reminder that one
day we will all have a beer together!
Jasper
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Jasper Nuyens
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On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 3:14 PM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
<lkcl at lkcl.net> wrote:
>
> On 11/01/2022 09:21, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
>
> > You have made your point. The FOSDEM team disagrees with you. The code
> > of conduct is not going to go away, and you are expected to abide by it.
>
> i was sufficiently alarmed by seeing this to step in and comment.
>
> over the years i have been regularly subjected to censorship by
> FOSS groups, enough to have a handle on why they do it.  it
> comes down to a conflation between "asking difficult questions"
> there is an automatic tendency to assume "the PERSON is difficult".
>
> by making people feel "uncomfortable" because they're being
> challenged to face up to difficult realities, they automatically
> assume that they are PERSONALLY being attacked, and respond
> by attacking the speaker, personally.
>
> in more recent times with the [often toxic] Conductment Codes in
> place the conflation gets worse: raising a difficult topic is assumed
> to be a Conductment violation.
>
> it therefore comes down to respect for each other as PEOPLE
>
> on various lists over the past 4 years, i've witnessed that
> Daniel has no fear of personal consequences when asking difficult
> questions, whereas many people - far from not *wishing* to engage
> with those difficult questions are simply too afraid to do so publicly.
> thus we may *not* conclude that the "lack of response indicates
> nobody wishes to hear about it"
>
> so the reasons that i am alarmed at the direction of this conversation
> has nothing to do with the actual topic, it has to do with peoples'
> reactions *to* the questions that Daniel is asking.
>
> in the spirit of FOSDEM i would very much like to see everyone
> treated with respect and understanding, particularly when someone
> is brave enough to raise difficult and challenging topics that
> most of us are not comfortable facing or considering.
>
> l.
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