<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On 30 October 2015 at 14:20, Emanuil Tolev <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:emanuil.tolev@gmail.com" target="_blank">emanuil.tolev@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><span class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On 30 October 2015 at 14:03, Pieter Hintjens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ph@imatix.com" target="_blank">ph@imatix.com</a>></span> wrote:</div></span><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>It would be useful to put down a central meeting point for volunteers interested in this, so that there's a central place reports can come to, and so the volunteer group can organise each day. I'm inclined to suggest the desk at K, the only problem with that being that it can be quite crowded. But it does have a supply room in the back if immediate private conversation is required, and it's close to the staff room for serious reports.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Actually apparently there already is a staff member who coordinates this aspect (see other thread by Johan). Now he's mentioned it I do recall being told there was one when I last volunteered. Perhaps we can form a more organised group this year while reporting any incidents to that person, and working on producing simple and short briefs on what to do in after-the-fact situations. A conduct hack!</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>Greetings,</div><div>Emanuil </div><div><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Daniel Pocock <<a href="mailto:daniel@pocock.pro" target="_blank">daniel@pocock.pro</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On 30/10/15 14:10, Andreia Gaita wrote:<br>
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>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Daniel Pocock <<a href="mailto:daniel@pocock.pro" target="_blank">daniel@pocock.pro</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:daniel@pocock.pro" target="_blank">daniel@pocock.pro</a>>> wrote:<br>
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>> On 30/10/15 13:06, Andreia Gaita wrote:<br>
>> > This is not a question of "Why". It's a question of "When". If you're<br>
>> > asking why, especially in shocked, appaled or sarcastic tones, you<br>
>> > seriously should take it upon yourselves to rethink your attitude<br>
>> > towards other people and maybe realize that being an unempathetic<br>
>> > asshole might work well when you're chugging beers with your<br>
>> mates, but<br>
>> > doesn't really help towards making the tech environment a place where<br>
>> > everybody can feel safe and supported.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > You want to know why a code of conduct is needed? Because of you,<br>
>> that's<br>
>> > why.<br>
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>> You have written about people being unempathetic but I feel this<br>
>> conclusion fails to show empathy with the people you are trying to<br>
>> convince. You literally conclude with an "us-and-them" posture.<br>
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>> Why would I be empathetic towards people that are being sarcastic and<br>
>> dismissive of something that has been clearly shown to be important<br>
>> through countless examples and conversations over the years? Why am I<br>
>> the one required to be empathetic towards people who apparently don't<br>
>> think that this is important because it doesn't happen to them?<br>
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> Because you obviously care about this and that is the effort that<br>
> leaders sometimes have to make when they want to change something.<br>
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> Also, because it will show how you would negotiate with people in a<br>
> real-life conflict situation, listening to both sides and gaining their<br>
> trust, no matter how you feel about it personally.<br>
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> At no point was I trying to defend any of the more ridiculous things<br>
> that have been said in this discussion. It is not about showing empathy<br>
> with such comments but looking behind them to try and work out how to<br>
> reach the people who made them.<br>
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> Regards,<br>
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> Daniel<br>
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