On 11/01/2022 16:49, Ewan Higgs wrote:
WIth love and respect to all, the first message on the topic confused me:
https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2021q4/003272.html
It sounds like a whole bunch of context is missing so I assumed my mail client threaded it incorrectly.
Here are archive links... https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2022q1/date.html https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2021q4/date.html
The original is in the second link, this message: https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2021q4/003272.html Notice that I was deliberately vague about the case involving Prof Anderson. Some of our German and Israeli friends would feel offended. It is an unlucky coincidence. I only wanted to focus on the high level question in the legal case: what happens when Academic Liberty clashes with a Code of Conduct? The details of the case are far more extreme than anything we are likely to encounter at FOSDEM. On the other hand, sometimes our dev-room has too many people. If you want a lot of people to leave quickly, the dev-room managers could display drawings from Prof Anderson.
It seems like I'm not missing any messages according to the archives. With this in mind, I think the original discussion proposal was not phrased clearly so most people seem to be staying quiet too many questions on the same topic.
My proposal for this thread: 1. Is the fundamental question being answered which should be archived for future people to be referred to? If so, what is that question?
The original message: "Is it a good moment to contemplate the relationship between Academic Freedom and CoCs?"
2. If there is no fundamental question and it's an exploratory discussion, please try Libera chat #fosdem channel to explore the topic space and then move it to email when you need an archived resolution of the discussion.
Some free software organizations are now using the CoC as an excuse to publicly humiliate individual volunteers and hurt families. Somebody buys a fake police badge on ebay. He declares himself to be the law, with the CoC in one hand and the fake police badge in the other hand. He announces that another volunteer has violated some CoC. This is not justice, this is vigilantism. If the CoC is having this impact then it is important to conduct scrutiny of the phenomena. Maybe we need a CoC for CoCs. In other words, the behavior around CoCs has become self-contradictory. Regards, Daniel -- Debian Developer https://danielpocock.com