(I think I used a different email address first, and my email didn't make it through). Imifos, I've got to agree with your contributions here. But to add to all this: http://adainitiative.org/continue-our-work/conference-policies/ links to http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-harassment_policy_resources which is IMHO a must-read for everyone discussing here. It covers all the arguments I've seen here, plus is a good guide for what's needed - and also what isn't. (FYI, thoughtcrime detection drones with tasers aren't required, though some reactions here read like that's what people are afraid of.) "Be excellent to each other!" Jens On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 10:28:35AM +0100, Imifos wrote:
even if nobody is able to enforce a code
We need indeed to have a dedicated team of a few educated, open-minded and "experienced-in-negotiation" people that are present, easy "findable" and having the "power" to intervene - or just show presence. Then we need a clear communication to the attendees.
there is not enough consensus to have one
There is absolutely no need for consensus. The only thing that is needed is a word of power from the FOSDEM core team, followed by someone the core team trusts that handles this aspect.
Easy peasy :-)
Cheers
/tc
On 30 October 2015 at 10:19, Daniel Pocock <daniel@pocock.pro> wrote:
On 30/10/15 09:44, Sanel Zukan wrote:
Tom Marble <tmarble@info9.net> writes:
FOSDEM Organizers:
FOSDEM is a fantastic conference and the only thing I can think of that would make it better is publishing a Code of Conduct:
http://www.sarahmei.com/blog/2015/02/01/the-fosdem-conundrum/
https://twitter.com/fosdem/status/561885201383821312
Will the FOSDEM 2016 edition have a CoC? -1
I think this should be done per room/project basis if admin prefers so I can choose whether to participate in that room or not. Your links are jokes (open statement and a joke) and if you have issues with them, I believe you are not familiar with cultural differences or not understainding writer intentions.
Some cultures has really open joke format just as some cultures are using cursing words openly, so should I be offended if someone mention 'f*ck' because his/her projector is not working or because he tried to visually explain his problem?
FOSDEM is open conference and if CoC (good name btw) is going to be enforced, what to expect in a years after that? Dress code or shaved faces, because someone finds that offending?
The "E" in FOSDEM is for Europe, so it is probably not reasonable to suggest FOSDEM needs to find a way to make behavior from every region of the world compatible, just attempting to suggest what it is for the standards that residents of European countries expect is enough.
It is all very well to give examples of where a code of conduct "worked" or was "used" for something. It is not hard to find just as many examples (both conferences and workplaces) where people have violated such codes (and possibly even the law) and the people responsible have covered it up or talked their way around it because it wasn't convenient to enforce the code or the law.
So the real question is, if there is a code of conduct, who is going to enforce it and how?
I'm not arguing for or against the code itself, I would just like to see people talk about (a) what is the problem they are trying to fix, (b) what they will actually do about it (and what are alternatives) and (c) how FOSDEM will be better as a consequence.
However, even if nobody is able to enforce a code or there is not enough consensus to have one, it would be useful to give a statement about the principles that we value and agree on. That is all it is, a statement of a principles, not some new law that somebody is going to try to enforce. Such statements help to remind people and give them a point of reference and simply repeating such things often enough (like advertisements for fast food) can have an effect in the long term.
There are other ways to approach these issues too, such as recognizing people who do positive things to make FOSDEM and our industry more pleasant to participate in.
Regards,
Daniel
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