On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 10:38 AM Sam Tuke <mail@samtuke.com> wrote:
Hi Luke, I'm not sure we've met, thanks for joining the discussion :)
:)
Happy to hear that these stalwart tools have been serving you well.
i took a path of least resistance (debian, plus incremental improvements), yet still it is tough as hell. scrambling to get hackers off my server during that exim4 exploit for example: luckily i have offsite rsync'd backups and was able to do a file-diff/cmp, and it was a VM anyway.
if i may be... ah... how can i put this... email sysadmins "giving up" on setting up a mailing list and setting up a *forum* instead, has me concerned.
The challenge described was solely with Mailman 3, otherwise known as the combination of: Mailman Core, Postorius, MailmanClient, HyperKitty, and HyperKitty Mailman plugin.
oo that's quite a list.
Specifically: Docker images with hard-coded IP addresses, Podman storage layer incompatibilities, and a ruby script that died leaving few clues as to its murderer.
*pained*. not at the mess, but at the use of docker images. a quick search "apt-cache search postorius" shows: mailman3-web - Django project integrating Mailman3 Postorius and HyperKitty mailman3-full - Full Mailman3 mailing list management suite (metapackage) python3-django-postorius - Web user interface to access GNU Mailman3 a search for hyperkitty: python3-django-hyperkitty - Web user interface to access GNU Mailman3 archives python3-mailman-hyperkitty - Mailman3 plugin to archive emails with HyperKitty mailman3-web - Django project integrating Mailman3 Postorius and HyperKitty mailman3-full - Full Mailman3 mailing list management suite (metapackage) and that tells me that it really, *really* should be a drop-dead simple process... *if* you're using debian... because someone has already done all the hard work and made sure those all work and work well, out-of-the-box. there's a really good reason why i use debian, even though they screwed users over by forcing systemd onto people.
No doubt with more time I would have resolved these, but those of us who met have been waiting long enough to continue those discussions.
In any case Discourse was a better option from the start in my view, for the features which were mentioned - it has many tools for fostering and managing communities which other systems lack, and has extensive support for mailing-list-like interaction (submit topics by email, reply by email, forward all topics by email).
I've also run mailman 2 for over a decade, and it's a reliable ally that's easy to configure. However that's not the best tool for this job. We are fortunate to have a variety of Open Source options in this space, and can each choose the tool which suits us best.
yehyeh, absolutely. l.