Academic Freedom vs CoC at FOSDEM
I feel FOSDEM might be the right place to raise this for a few reasons A recent high court decision has agreed that some of the more controversial analogies and metaphors are permitted[1] under academic freedom. Personally, I would not use the same metaphor in the same context or talking about the country in question. Quoting[1] Dr Stone from Melbourne Law School "given the requirements of the principle of academic freedom and the principle’s centrality to the purposes of a university, the particular provision that protects ‘intellectual freedom’ should have been understood, in some circumstances, *to take priority over the code of conduct* that Ridd was found to have breached" The case is about expressing an idea. It is not a blanket authorization to insult people. A volunteer on another FOSDEM list recently used an alias for the sanitary pass that is based on the same theme as the court judgment. Another volunteer observed that the pseudonym may violate a CoC. Anyway, the FOSDEM venue is a university so that makes it a great place to contemplate academic freedom. The L in ULB is for Libre The Nobel Peace Prize has just been granted[2] for efforts to safeguard Freedom of Expression. Is it a good moment to contemplate the relationship between Academic Freedom and CoCs? Regards, Daniel 1. https://www.sydney.edu.au/content/dam/corporate/documents/sydney-law-school/... 2. https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/oct/08/nobel-peace-prize-2021-wi...
On 08/10/2021 18:19, Benny Siegert wrote:
Is it a good moment to contemplate the relationship between Academic Freedom and CoCs?
No, it's not. Certainly not about anything relating to vaccination skepticism. This is not the hill to die on.
The email in question was about the privacy issues with the certificate, there was no reference to anti-vax movements
On 08/10/2021 19:24, Daniel Pocock wrote:
On 08/10/2021 18:19, Benny Siegert wrote:
Is it a good moment to contemplate the relationship between Academic Freedom and CoCs?
No, it's not. Certainly not about anything relating to vaccination skepticism. This is not the hill to die on.
The email in question was about the privacy issues with the certificate, there was no reference to anti-vax movements
Oddly enough, Novak Djokovic is imprisoned 200 meters away from where I studied engineering and computer science. Novak has conjured an anti-vax mob just 500 meters away from one of the world's most respected labs. I'm not mad about that: if we want to beat this pandemic, we need to understand what lies behind social phenomena like that. In 2021 I published photos that I took in the same street. Academic Liberty requires us to listen to each other and contemplate all sides of the story. It does not compel us to agree with each other. I share evidence. Emails from "Boarder Force". A map. https://danielpocock.com/novak-djokovic-codes-of-conduct/ I share these insights with the community, just as I forecast Covid before FOSDEM 2020. This email appeared on the FOSDEM list on exactly the same day the Doherty Institute published their initial findings in January 2020: https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2020q1/003046.html https://www.doherty.edu.au/news-events/news/coronavirus Suggesting that a concern about Academic Liberty is equivalent to anti-vax phenomena is incredibly offensive to the entire academic community. Regards, Daniel -- Debian Developer https://danielpocock.com
Don't put words into other people's mouth. Let "the entire academic community" speak for itself. Liberty is an often misunderstood concept. It's not everyone doing whatever they want. If it impacts the ability of others to participate, it's not liberty, but privilege. A Code of Conduct tries to ensure that that's not happening. You want to rant about that, that's your choice. Not one I would take. - Jens On 9 January 2022 21:55:50 UTC, Daniel Pocock <daniel@pocock.pro> wrote:
On 08/10/2021 19:24, Daniel Pocock wrote:
On 08/10/2021 18:19, Benny Siegert wrote:
Is it a good moment to contemplate the relationship between Academic Freedom and CoCs?
No, it's not. Certainly not about anything relating to vaccination skepticism. This is not the hill to die on.
The email in question was about the privacy issues with the certificate, there was no reference to anti-vax movements
Oddly enough, Novak Djokovic is imprisoned 200 meters away from where I studied engineering and computer science.
Novak has conjured an anti-vax mob just 500 meters away from one of the world's most respected labs. I'm not mad about that: if we want to beat this pandemic, we need to understand what lies behind social phenomena like that. In 2021 I published photos that I took in the same street.
Academic Liberty requires us to listen to each other and contemplate all sides of the story. It does not compel us to agree with each other.
I share evidence. Emails from "Boarder Force". A map.
https://danielpocock.com/novak-djokovic-codes-of-conduct/
I share these insights with the community, just as I forecast Covid before FOSDEM 2020. This email appeared on the FOSDEM list on exactly the same day the Doherty Institute published their initial findings in January 2020:
https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2020q1/003046.html
https://www.doherty.edu.au/news-events/news/coronavirus
Suggesting that a concern about Academic Liberty is equivalent to anti-vax phenomena is incredibly offensive to the entire academic community.
Regards,
Daniel
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On 09/01/2022 23:26, Jens Finkhäuser wrote:
Don't put words into other people's mouth. Let "the entire academic community" speak for itself.
I hope they do. Many mailing lists, even LibrePlanet, are subject to some sort of censorship now.
Liberty is an often misunderstood concept. It's not everyone doing whatever they want. If it impacts the ability of others to participate, it's not liberty, but privilege. A Code of Conduct tries to ensure that that's not happening.
You want to rant about that, that's your choice. Not one I would take.
No, I don't want to rant. I am presenting both sides of the story A rant only covers one side of the story. There have been numerous legal cases on Academic Liberty Each case has been decided on its merits For example, in Australia, we have two opposite examples: Prof Tim Anderson - the court agreed with the professor Prof Peter Ridd - the court did not agree with the professor In respect of the code of conduct, I am not publishing links to the image created by Prof Anderson and I don't plan to integrate his imagery into my personal blog posts. Regards, Daniel -- Debian Developer https://danielpocock.com
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